chintanop
07-03 04:21 PM
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ita
04-16 01:08 PM
When Gadnhiji advocated secularism for India he did so because he believed in "Sarva Mata Sama Bhava"(The equality of all religions in which most of us believe).
When religious conversions are made fundamental right as per constitution the word 'Secularism' became a farce.A farce used by religious groups (that use either terror/deceit,abuse for conversions) and also by Macaulian Indians
(Today in India Hindus&others are 70%,Muslims 20%, Christians 10%)
Once the head count , behind which most of the religious groups are running is reached , once the figures are toppled then the mantra will be dominate and destroy(as what happened in rest of the world be it Latin America or else where, stands as example), not secularism which will be reduced to joke by then.
Read this interesting article about Modi
http://www.dnaindia.com/report.asp?newsid=1248155
www.theatlantic.com/doc/200904/india-modi - Intresting article on Narendra Modi.
When religious conversions are made fundamental right as per constitution the word 'Secularism' became a farce.A farce used by religious groups (that use either terror/deceit,abuse for conversions) and also by Macaulian Indians
(Today in India Hindus&others are 70%,Muslims 20%, Christians 10%)
Once the head count , behind which most of the religious groups are running is reached , once the figures are toppled then the mantra will be dominate and destroy(as what happened in rest of the world be it Latin America or else where, stands as example), not secularism which will be reduced to joke by then.
Read this interesting article about Modi
http://www.dnaindia.com/report.asp?newsid=1248155
www.theatlantic.com/doc/200904/india-modi - Intresting article on Narendra Modi.
nrk
09-17 01:10 PM
Hi VDLRAO,
Couple of months back you were very optimistic about EB2 I will be current soon, what were the things influencing your thoughts.
Do you think EB2 I, will not be crossing 2005 by September 2010 ?
When it took about 2 years spill over visas (2008 and 2009) for the EB2 India dates to move from April 2004 to Jan 2005, I am sure you could estimate how long it would take to cross a year.
Couple of months back you were very optimistic about EB2 I will be current soon, what were the things influencing your thoughts.
Do you think EB2 I, will not be crossing 2005 by September 2010 ?
When it took about 2 years spill over visas (2008 and 2009) for the EB2 India dates to move from April 2004 to Jan 2005, I am sure you could estimate how long it would take to cross a year.
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jasmin45
08-18 09:49 PM
Wow!!! Nice post. I like the last line you mentioned. :)
Really? sounds weird.
Guy's unearthly attitude explicit in the post is truely laughable.
Really? sounds weird.
Guy's unearthly attitude explicit in the post is truely laughable.
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TeddyKoochu
09-15 01:45 PM
It seems most analysts here think that by Q4 2010 the approval of 485 could theorotically reach mid 2006 with a liberal allocation of spill-overs and a conservative estimate of abandonment etc.
My question is in order for CIS to have sufficient 485 cases to review .. will they not need to advance dates still further so they can start reviewing the apps and in 2-4 years time give those folks the GC.. I am specifically talking about all those who missed the July 2007 bus and whose priority date is after july 30, 07.... any hope for poor souls like us to at least file for EAD in 2010?Or is this wishful thinking?
Iam also one amongst this lot, as somebody told me be hopeful and cheerful, our day will come. I really understand your pain and suffering, we are kind of the worst affected lot (or atleast one of the worst affected), those who made it in Jul 07 atleast have interim relief. The extent of spillover will really determine our fortunes; I honestly believe that there is a 50-50 chance of it happening this year. Let�s wait for the experts in this group to analyze the data. Since in those days it used to take 2-3 months for labor approval we will have individuals from as early as May 07 who missed the Jul 07 bus, mine is in the last week of July. I hope we will be able to get in the bus and drive out this year!
My question is in order for CIS to have sufficient 485 cases to review .. will they not need to advance dates still further so they can start reviewing the apps and in 2-4 years time give those folks the GC.. I am specifically talking about all those who missed the July 2007 bus and whose priority date is after july 30, 07.... any hope for poor souls like us to at least file for EAD in 2010?Or is this wishful thinking?
Iam also one amongst this lot, as somebody told me be hopeful and cheerful, our day will come. I really understand your pain and suffering, we are kind of the worst affected lot (or atleast one of the worst affected), those who made it in Jul 07 atleast have interim relief. The extent of spillover will really determine our fortunes; I honestly believe that there is a 50-50 chance of it happening this year. Let�s wait for the experts in this group to analyze the data. Since in those days it used to take 2-3 months for labor approval we will have individuals from as early as May 07 who missed the Jul 07 bus, mine is in the last week of July. I hope we will be able to get in the bus and drive out this year!
crazy_apple
07-13 05:58 PM
Byeusa - I read your story and felt like you have written mine. I came to USA in 2000, with a dream...a 25 year old young single guy, having a B.Tech degree from IIT Delhi, full of fire, fighting to do anything. 7 years down the line, only thing that I have earned here is a thick 25 lb bag filled with immigration papers. I avoid even looking at that bag, it makes me feel depressed. My wife, a graduate from IIT, sitting at home on H4 waiting for a day when she will get her work permit. Now I am 33, I am still doing what I was doing at the age of 25. My manager gives me 3 days to finish something and I know I can do it in 3 hours....it has become a physical job, its not a mental job anymore. This is the 3rd time, someone has applied for my green card and I am sure it will never go thoguh.
Keeping everything in perspective, my wife and I applied for Canadian PR 2 years ago and now we have gotten it. We want to move to Canada, however there are so many things.....daughter, her school, new country, culture...etc. Nevertheless, when I read your story, I felt encouraged and I am going to think harder in this area. I wish you well. God bless you!
Kumar1 - you cracked me up with your "thick 25 lb bag filled with immigration papers" comment. It is so true. In about 10 years here, I have accumulated a similar bag...for myself and my wife - starting with F1s, H1s, H1 transfers, Passport Copies, LC Copies etc. Hopefully the bag will be a relic in a few years...and we will laugh at it. Just hoping that day comes soon.
Keeping everything in perspective, my wife and I applied for Canadian PR 2 years ago and now we have gotten it. We want to move to Canada, however there are so many things.....daughter, her school, new country, culture...etc. Nevertheless, when I read your story, I felt encouraged and I am going to think harder in this area. I wish you well. God bless you!
Kumar1 - you cracked me up with your "thick 25 lb bag filled with immigration papers" comment. It is so true. In about 10 years here, I have accumulated a similar bag...for myself and my wife - starting with F1s, H1s, H1 transfers, Passport Copies, LC Copies etc. Hopefully the bag will be a relic in a few years...and we will laugh at it. Just hoping that day comes soon.
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Marphad
05-18 10:44 AM
Oh Yeah? Says who? You? and made you the boss?
So you mean to say we have to listen to imposter like you who is roaming around in immigration forum with chargeability as United States? There could be only 2 reasons for this:
1. You want to use fake profile to spread non-sense rumours and un-necessary posts.
2. You are anti-immigrant.
In both cases I want to show you door. Have a nice day buddy. Now please leave.
So you mean to say we have to listen to imposter like you who is roaming around in immigration forum with chargeability as United States? There could be only 2 reasons for this:
1. You want to use fake profile to spread non-sense rumours and un-necessary posts.
2. You are anti-immigrant.
In both cases I want to show you door. Have a nice day buddy. Now please leave.
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rahulpaper
06-26 01:51 PM
I sure do hope you are right.....because i am in HR boat as well...
BTW Thanks to you and the core team on CIR front...keep up the good work.
Once again, what is with this "Flood" and "too many". Petitions are postal packages. They are not Tsunami waves that would prompt them to shut down their doors to prevent flooding. They did get nearly 200,000 petitions in Vermont in one day. What happened ? Did the mail room clerk drown in fedex ? Were the packages overflowing in the parking lot ?
Guys please stop thinking these logistics, and get a life. USCIS has people who are capable of predicting several hundred mail packages and handling them. They are inefficient and slow but they are not galactically stupid. And if they stop accepting petitions, it wont be because they have received "Too many" because it takes time to define "too many". So chill and try to file it before 31st July.
These rumors are wreaking havoc on people who are not in a perfect position to control the timing of filing. Many lawyers and many employers will file between 25th and 31st July. And I can accept that. My own HR and lawfirm have made it clear that we will file before 31st July but there is no guarantee that it will be sooner than that and any sooner than that is not neccesary.
Those who are filing on their own can file on July 1st. But those who are depending on lawyers and their own HR, please relax and stop thinking too much.
BTW Thanks to you and the core team on CIR front...keep up the good work.
Once again, what is with this "Flood" and "too many". Petitions are postal packages. They are not Tsunami waves that would prompt them to shut down their doors to prevent flooding. They did get nearly 200,000 petitions in Vermont in one day. What happened ? Did the mail room clerk drown in fedex ? Were the packages overflowing in the parking lot ?
Guys please stop thinking these logistics, and get a life. USCIS has people who are capable of predicting several hundred mail packages and handling them. They are inefficient and slow but they are not galactically stupid. And if they stop accepting petitions, it wont be because they have received "Too many" because it takes time to define "too many". So chill and try to file it before 31st July.
These rumors are wreaking havoc on people who are not in a perfect position to control the timing of filing. Many lawyers and many employers will file between 25th and 31st July. And I can accept that. My own HR and lawfirm have made it clear that we will file before 31st July but there is no guarantee that it will be sooner than that and any sooner than that is not neccesary.
Those who are filing on their own can file on July 1st. But those who are depending on lawyers and their own HR, please relax and stop thinking too much.
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snram4
01-15 08:40 PM
USA was like that for past 100 years. Many times Protectionist bills were passed and many times they were relaxed in past. There will be impacts but it will not bring down the country just because they block a few thousand H1bs. If USA needs to go down there should be some other alternative country should come up relative to that level. India and china have a potential but nowhere near to that for now as they so much dependent on USA and dollar.
Then USA become USSR and go down the toilet....
Then USA become USSR and go down the toilet....
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Tito_ortiz
03-20 12:41 PM
Hi, I experienced similar situation. This is what I did:
Upon getting my PR and landing in Canada, I got job offer in the beautiful US. I kept visiting Canada every month, I kept bank account active there, I bought a car in Canada and transferred to the US (that was silly, don't do that) etc just in case I needed to prove certain ties to Canada and it would be transfer car to Canada again if I needed to go back.
Then 1 year passed. I retained my PR just fine. However, when entering Canada, the immigration officer advised that I was going to end up losing my Canadian PR if I start going back and forth. At that point I applied for the Returning Resident permit. I wen to Canadian embassy in Seattle. Lady who attended me was very rude and told me that working in the US was not a valid excuse to stay out of Canada for 2 years. Then I claimed that I wanted to go back to Canada to open business there with my US experience within 2 years. Lady finally said "you guys don't love Canada, you just love the US". From there she signed the Returning Resident Permanent residency paper for 2 years. Now, five years have passed and I guess my Canadian PR status is unknown. I guess I could just return if I wanted. Last week I went there to visit a friend (it was raining like crazy in Vancouver, BC) and I entered the country without any questions. Therefore if you manage to get in, I guess all my PR status would still be valid.
I also have my canadian PR. I know that I have to physically stay in CA for 2 years out of 5 to keep it alive. My question is if I enter just before my fourth year and live only for one year in CA .... what would happen ? At the end of fifth year when my PR card expires, will I have to leave CA ? Or is there any other visa on which I can move to or is there a way to re-apply for PR in the last year itself ?
Basically bcuz of the retregression I want to go to CA but I have seen so many -ve posts about job scene that I am apprehensive. Hence was wondering if I can wait till the fourth year and still this GC mess is not solved would it be possible somehow to stay in CA beyond the fifth year.
Upon getting my PR and landing in Canada, I got job offer in the beautiful US. I kept visiting Canada every month, I kept bank account active there, I bought a car in Canada and transferred to the US (that was silly, don't do that) etc just in case I needed to prove certain ties to Canada and it would be transfer car to Canada again if I needed to go back.
Then 1 year passed. I retained my PR just fine. However, when entering Canada, the immigration officer advised that I was going to end up losing my Canadian PR if I start going back and forth. At that point I applied for the Returning Resident permit. I wen to Canadian embassy in Seattle. Lady who attended me was very rude and told me that working in the US was not a valid excuse to stay out of Canada for 2 years. Then I claimed that I wanted to go back to Canada to open business there with my US experience within 2 years. Lady finally said "you guys don't love Canada, you just love the US". From there she signed the Returning Resident Permanent residency paper for 2 years. Now, five years have passed and I guess my Canadian PR status is unknown. I guess I could just return if I wanted. Last week I went there to visit a friend (it was raining like crazy in Vancouver, BC) and I entered the country without any questions. Therefore if you manage to get in, I guess all my PR status would still be valid.
I also have my canadian PR. I know that I have to physically stay in CA for 2 years out of 5 to keep it alive. My question is if I enter just before my fourth year and live only for one year in CA .... what would happen ? At the end of fifth year when my PR card expires, will I have to leave CA ? Or is there any other visa on which I can move to or is there a way to re-apply for PR in the last year itself ?
Basically bcuz of the retregression I want to go to CA but I have seen so many -ve posts about job scene that I am apprehensive. Hence was wondering if I can wait till the fourth year and still this GC mess is not solved would it be possible somehow to stay in CA beyond the fifth year.
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06-16 04:47 PM
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admin
02-06 09:35 AM
Here is a report from immigration-law.com
02/05/2006: DOL Resummitted and Obtained OMB Clearance of Proposed Labor Substitution Elimination Regulation on 02/02/2006
* This DOL and DHS proposed rule was cleared by the OMB last fall, but for unknown reasons, it has been pushed off. However, on February 2, 2006, Thursday, ETA/DOL resummitted the proposed rule and on the same day, the OMB cleared again this regulation. It is unknown at this time exactly when the DOL will publish this critical regulation but considering the fact that it reinstated the rule-making process as late as three days back, something must be cooking this time. Please stay tuned.
Great news, especially given that most of the body shoppers were using it for fraud. Also this would make it easier for USCIS to predict the actual usage of Visa numbers and thus move the PDs accurately.
02/05/2006: DOL Resummitted and Obtained OMB Clearance of Proposed Labor Substitution Elimination Regulation on 02/02/2006
* This DOL and DHS proposed rule was cleared by the OMB last fall, but for unknown reasons, it has been pushed off. However, on February 2, 2006, Thursday, ETA/DOL resummitted the proposed rule and on the same day, the OMB cleared again this regulation. It is unknown at this time exactly when the DOL will publish this critical regulation but considering the fact that it reinstated the rule-making process as late as three days back, something must be cooking this time. Please stay tuned.
Great news, especially given that most of the body shoppers were using it for fraud. Also this would make it easier for USCIS to predict the actual usage of Visa numbers and thus move the PDs accurately.
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chanduv23
02-15 11:48 AM
Thanks for an excellent research and arguments. Some of the arguments are well presented.
Well, if you are not ready to lead and we do not have anyone else to lead then whats the point of forming the yahoo group? Please don't get me wrong, I am just trying to find out the objective of this yahoo group.
I think lazycis taking a step forward towards the creation of a group, but does not seem confident he/she will lead the group, but I am sure will definitely lead the group
Well, if you are not ready to lead and we do not have anyone else to lead then whats the point of forming the yahoo group? Please don't get me wrong, I am just trying to find out the objective of this yahoo group.
I think lazycis taking a step forward towards the creation of a group, but does not seem confident he/she will lead the group, but I am sure will definitely lead the group
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gemini23
06-26 01:30 PM
Is this a joke..let me know if i can laugh at this one.
Well....
the rumour is that USCIS will accept as much as their parking lot can accommodate 485 applications.
They will at best try not to spill over to the roads nearby causing traffic jams.:eek:
Well....
the rumour is that USCIS will accept as much as their parking lot can accommodate 485 applications.
They will at best try not to spill over to the roads nearby causing traffic jams.:eek:
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07-04 07:42 AM
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04-20 04:39 PM
This one is quite interesting...........
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NAVSARI/RAJULA: Taking the 'weak' prime minister charge further, Gujarat chief minister Narendra Modi said Manmohan Singh was the prime ministerial
candidate only of the Gandhis and not of the entire UPA.
"Only the mother (Sonia Gandhi), son (Rahul) and daughter (Priyanka) keep saying that Singh is PM candidate. He is the candidate of Sonia Gandhi's family," he said.
"Except for Sonia Gandhi's family, nobody is rooting for Singh. Even senior Congress leaders like Arjun Singh and Kamal Nath are not acknowledging him for the top job," he said addressing election rallies in Gujarat.
Modi appealed to the people to choose between 'dynastic and opportunistic rule' and a nationalist government.
Modi also said preferably the prime minister should be an elected one and not nominated.
"Elected PM reflects the strength of democracy while a nominated one depicts strength of dynastic rule. He should have the people's support not just one family's," Modi added.
He said NCP chief Sharad Pawar "wants to become a Prime Minister. On more than one occasion, his RJD counterpart and Railway Minister too has expressed a similar desire."
"Samajwadi Party chief Mulayam Singh and BSP chief Mayawati too cannot be ruled out for the job," Modi said.
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NAVSARI/RAJULA: Taking the 'weak' prime minister charge further, Gujarat chief minister Narendra Modi said Manmohan Singh was the prime ministerial
candidate only of the Gandhis and not of the entire UPA.
"Only the mother (Sonia Gandhi), son (Rahul) and daughter (Priyanka) keep saying that Singh is PM candidate. He is the candidate of Sonia Gandhi's family," he said.
"Except for Sonia Gandhi's family, nobody is rooting for Singh. Even senior Congress leaders like Arjun Singh and Kamal Nath are not acknowledging him for the top job," he said addressing election rallies in Gujarat.
Modi appealed to the people to choose between 'dynastic and opportunistic rule' and a nationalist government.
Modi also said preferably the prime minister should be an elected one and not nominated.
"Elected PM reflects the strength of democracy while a nominated one depicts strength of dynastic rule. He should have the people's support not just one family's," Modi added.
He said NCP chief Sharad Pawar "wants to become a Prime Minister. On more than one occasion, his RJD counterpart and Railway Minister too has expressed a similar desire."
"Samajwadi Party chief Mulayam Singh and BSP chief Mayawati too cannot be ruled out for the job," Modi said.
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BharatPremi
12-14 03:19 PM
Yep.
O.k here I am trying to reach the conclusion for my own proper understanding: Whether it is "Discriminative" OR "Restrictive" OR both OR none
Scenario Example:
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Year 2009:
ROW EB: Only Britain nationals apply say 30000 people - No other ROW
national apply
ROW EB current
NO EB Backlog for ROW
What will happen to the files of (30000 -9800) these britain nationals?
O.k here I am trying to reach the conclusion for my own proper understanding: Whether it is "Discriminative" OR "Restrictive" OR both OR none
Scenario Example:
-----------------
Year 2009:
ROW EB: Only Britain nationals apply say 30000 people - No other ROW
national apply
ROW EB current
NO EB Backlog for ROW
What will happen to the files of (30000 -9800) these britain nationals?
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Jerrome
09-24 05:40 PM
Scenario 1:
Assumptions on Visa Usage by EB1 + EB2 ROW
1) About the Volume of EB1+ ROW for this year
(Pending + 2010) Total GC Spill over
EB1 ALL 4050 + 4050 8100 21995
EB2 ROW 7871 + 7871 15742 10492 (Total of 32487)
2) This data is as of August 25 2009, So in the months of September and October approval for India and China assume overall 3000+2000 = 5000
3) I have not considered EB4+EB5 spill over because that would be a bonus and would result in 2-3 months variation.
4) Spill over is 50% between China and India
China would get (16223 spill over + 2387 regular), so china would become current
India would get (16223 spilover+2387 regular), so India would move to March 06
5) Let us say 3000 are un-approvable so they will move to June 06
Scenario 2:
If the volume of EB1+ROW for this year is 50% of pending then it would result of additional 6000 visas, India would move additional 6 months to December 2006.
Scenario 3:
If the volume of EB1+ROW for this year is 25% of pending then it would result of additional 9000 visas, India would move additional 6 months to May 2007.
I don�t think in any case they won�t move beyond May 2007 for EB2 India as they would not want to add more cases to the Backlog.
In my gut feel I think Scenario 1 has 60% possibility, 2 has 30% possibility and 3 has 10% possibility/
Assumptions on Visa Usage by EB1 + EB2 ROW
1) About the Volume of EB1+ ROW for this year
(Pending + 2010) Total GC Spill over
EB1 ALL 4050 + 4050 8100 21995
EB2 ROW 7871 + 7871 15742 10492 (Total of 32487)
2) This data is as of August 25 2009, So in the months of September and October approval for India and China assume overall 3000+2000 = 5000
3) I have not considered EB4+EB5 spill over because that would be a bonus and would result in 2-3 months variation.
4) Spill over is 50% between China and India
China would get (16223 spill over + 2387 regular), so china would become current
India would get (16223 spilover+2387 regular), so India would move to March 06
5) Let us say 3000 are un-approvable so they will move to June 06
Scenario 2:
If the volume of EB1+ROW for this year is 50% of pending then it would result of additional 6000 visas, India would move additional 6 months to December 2006.
Scenario 3:
If the volume of EB1+ROW for this year is 25% of pending then it would result of additional 9000 visas, India would move additional 6 months to May 2007.
I don�t think in any case they won�t move beyond May 2007 for EB2 India as they would not want to add more cases to the Backlog.
In my gut feel I think Scenario 1 has 60% possibility, 2 has 30% possibility and 3 has 10% possibility/
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bayarea07
07-22 06:03 PM
Good One !!!
While we are all sharing about our Amway solicitation experiences, let me share what I've seen in the last few years.
Background: In the last 6 years, I've been approached over 2 dozen times in the Bay Area. Things got so bad that the same guys have approached me more than 3 times in some cases before realizing that they've already talked to me before.
Incident #1:
A guy approached me while I was at the mall saying "hi" and striking up a conversation. During our short chat, this 20-something desi guy proceeds to tell me that he is the CIO of Fox News. At which time I pull out my iPhone and look him up using my LinkedIn app under the guise of adding him to my network. Turns out he is an engineer at a local company which he covers up by being embarassed and saying "I haven't updated my profile." I joke about how he moved up in his career so quickly - he then makes an excuse and walks away. I never hear from him again. Another reason to love technology!
Incident #2:
I get approached while shopping at the local GAP store. Being a veteran of this form of solicitation, I respond by saying that I work for the San Jose Mercury News and that we are doing a story on Multi-Level Marketing schemes. I ask him if he knows anyone who would be willing to chat on the record. This guys says "Nope, don't know anyone" and walks away. I never see him again...
Incident #3:
I am at the Nike store and get approached by this guy asking me if I work at Google (I do not). I tell him "Nope" and walk away before he can ask me another question. I have been approached by this same guy 2 more times at other stores (within 6 months) asking me similar questions. The 3rd time, I tell him - "We've spoken before - No, I don't work at Google, No, I'm not from Delhi and No, I'm not interested in what you are selling." He is stunned and walks away with his tail between his legs :)
Incident #4:
The local Fry's is a popular hang out for Amway-types. I learned the hard way because I made my first mistakes here. Both guys that struck up a good conversation with me turned out to be Amway types. After the 2nd phone call, I tell them that if they call me again, I will report them to the authorities and Fry's for illegal solicitation and harassment.
This stops both people in their tracks. I never see them at Fry's again!
Bottom-line: Hold your ground, use technology and don't be afraid to kick them around a little bit. Saying "No" is golden!
While we are all sharing about our Amway solicitation experiences, let me share what I've seen in the last few years.
Background: In the last 6 years, I've been approached over 2 dozen times in the Bay Area. Things got so bad that the same guys have approached me more than 3 times in some cases before realizing that they've already talked to me before.
Incident #1:
A guy approached me while I was at the mall saying "hi" and striking up a conversation. During our short chat, this 20-something desi guy proceeds to tell me that he is the CIO of Fox News. At which time I pull out my iPhone and look him up using my LinkedIn app under the guise of adding him to my network. Turns out he is an engineer at a local company which he covers up by being embarassed and saying "I haven't updated my profile." I joke about how he moved up in his career so quickly - he then makes an excuse and walks away. I never hear from him again. Another reason to love technology!
Incident #2:
I get approached while shopping at the local GAP store. Being a veteran of this form of solicitation, I respond by saying that I work for the San Jose Mercury News and that we are doing a story on Multi-Level Marketing schemes. I ask him if he knows anyone who would be willing to chat on the record. This guys says "Nope, don't know anyone" and walks away. I never see him again...
Incident #3:
I am at the Nike store and get approached by this guy asking me if I work at Google (I do not). I tell him "Nope" and walk away before he can ask me another question. I have been approached by this same guy 2 more times at other stores (within 6 months) asking me similar questions. The 3rd time, I tell him - "We've spoken before - No, I don't work at Google, No, I'm not from Delhi and No, I'm not interested in what you are selling." He is stunned and walks away with his tail between his legs :)
Incident #4:
The local Fry's is a popular hang out for Amway-types. I learned the hard way because I made my first mistakes here. Both guys that struck up a good conversation with me turned out to be Amway types. After the 2nd phone call, I tell them that if they call me again, I will report them to the authorities and Fry's for illegal solicitation and harassment.
This stops both people in their tracks. I never see them at Fry's again!
Bottom-line: Hold your ground, use technology and don't be afraid to kick them around a little bit. Saying "No" is golden!
same_old_guy
06-26 01:08 PM
EVERYONE ON THIS FORUM :
PLEASE DO NOT SPREAD RUMORS ! WE ARE ALREADY STRESSED AS IT IS. WE DONT NEED ONE MORE RUMOR LIKE THIS RIGHT NOW.
IF YOU ARE TRYING TO COME UP WITH SOME SORT OF LOGIC TO SUPPORT IT, PLEASE KEEP IT TO YOURSELF, FOR GOD'S SAKE !
IF YOU ARE FEELING INSURED, HELPLESS AND WITH NO CONFIDENCE - JUST REMEMBER, ALMOST EVERYONE IS FEELING THE SAME. JUST DONT HIT THE PANIC BUTTON BASED ON NOTHING, PLEASE !
JUST FOLLOW UP WITH YOUR LAWYER AND MAKE ALL THE DOCUMENTS READY TO FILE AS SOON AS YOU CAN. THAT'S THE BEST YOU CAN DO ! IF SOMETHING HAPPENS LET IT HAPPEN. NO NEED TO LIVE IT THRU TWICE, ONCE NOW AND ONCE IT ACTUALLY HAPPENS.
PEACE.:mad:
PLEASE DO NOT SPREAD RUMORS ! WE ARE ALREADY STRESSED AS IT IS. WE DONT NEED ONE MORE RUMOR LIKE THIS RIGHT NOW.
IF YOU ARE TRYING TO COME UP WITH SOME SORT OF LOGIC TO SUPPORT IT, PLEASE KEEP IT TO YOURSELF, FOR GOD'S SAKE !
IF YOU ARE FEELING INSURED, HELPLESS AND WITH NO CONFIDENCE - JUST REMEMBER, ALMOST EVERYONE IS FEELING THE SAME. JUST DONT HIT THE PANIC BUTTON BASED ON NOTHING, PLEASE !
JUST FOLLOW UP WITH YOUR LAWYER AND MAKE ALL THE DOCUMENTS READY TO FILE AS SOON AS YOU CAN. THAT'S THE BEST YOU CAN DO ! IF SOMETHING HAPPENS LET IT HAPPEN. NO NEED TO LIVE IT THRU TWICE, ONCE NOW AND ONCE IT ACTUALLY HAPPENS.
PEACE.:mad:
NNReddy
06-15 07:52 PM
I am certainly hoping that I will get by EOY 2011. It's more than hope, I feel pretty confident that by that time I should get it. Just mark my words, come back on dec 31, 2011 and check with me. You have to believe before you get it. Have faith guys. Sooner or later the man who wins is the one who thinks he can!!!!
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